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August 11, 2011

I was on a panel yesterday on VC fundraising. One audience member asked how early one should start talking to VCs, and whether it made sense to meet with VC’s at all before raising money.

My friend Jeff Bussgang suggested that it’s a good idea to meet with VC’s early, to get feedback and share your plans. The idea being that the VC will get to know you better over time, see how well you execute, and you’ll be in better shape when the time comes to raise money. “VC’s like to invest in movies, not snapshots” is the common saying.

Although I’ve given a flavor of this advice before, I would caution most entrepreneurs about taking this too far. Here’s why:

1. VCs have every incentive to say this. We (myself included since I’m a micro-VC) would rather make an investment decision with maximum information and after an entrepreneur has de-risked the investment as much as possible. But we want to make sure we stay close to the company, so if there is “heat” around a deal, we can drive to a decision very quickly. Always be wary of advice if it’s also of benefit to the one giving you the advice.

2. It takes a special person to overcome prior biases. If you meet with an investor very early and they dislike what you are doing, it becomes pretty tough for most people to change their opinion even if the company starts to do very well. Because startups are unpredictable, it’s actually the rare case that an entrepreneur can say they will accomplish A,B, and C and come back in 6 months having really done those and staying on the same path. Many times, there is a change in plans, or something unexpected goes wrong and the entrepreneur learns from it. Although many investors now consider themselves students of the lean startup methodology, few actually feel comfortable tolerating a movie with a lot of twists and turns. In a way, it’s almost harder to convince a VC who has been watching the movie unfold vs one who is hearing it for the first time, unencumbered by their previous biases. I think that’s one reason why some companies have limited traction raising money in one market and then can go to another market and have much greater success.

3. Most VC feedback is the same. Seriously. Unless you are talking to someone with very deep and relevant experience in your sector (but isnt invested in a competitor) you will hear the same feedback after talking to 2 or 3 investors. It usually focuses on issues around the team, market, or product. The really tough thing is that the team is often the main issue, but the VC has a hard time giving this feedback up front. Or, you’ll hear that you need to augment you team with a particular type of person. Which is often code for “I don’t know if this CEO is strong enough to lead this company and attract great people”.

So, what is an entrepreneur to do? A few thoughts. Yes, it’s helpful to talk to some VCs. But I’d think about it in three workstreams.

1. The first is to talk to a few people with the most relevant domain experience. Get real feedback that is more than the cursory “I’m not sure if this is a big enough market”. Look for people who have direct experience with the stage you are at and the types of challenges your company will face. Focus here – it will be obvious quickly whether or not you are talking to an investor with deeper than normal insight into your space.

2. Become a known quantity. This doesn’t necessarily mean having a lot of people know about your company. But you want to develop a reputation in the community that you are a credible founder. This helps in diligence so lots of people will say “I know her – she is awesome!”. It also helps give confidence that you can get things done when it comes to recruiting, finding partners, etc. But this can be accomplished in many ways. Jason Baptiste, the founder of OnSwipe did this very quickly when he came to BOS from Florida by writing posts for OnStartups and setting up hacker meetups.

3. Figure out if you have a “do-able” deal. Fundraising is a big distraction and takes up a lot of emotional energy. I really think that only 5% or fewer of startups cross the threshold of institutional investors. But its very hard to predict whether any particular company will be attractive to a particular investor. What almost all investors can give you a sense for is whether you have at least s 50% chance or raising money if you try. You will figure that out quickly – investors will proactively call you to track your progress, first meeting will be followed up quickly with meetings with more than one partner, conversations escalate such that it’s clear the investor is doing their homework and learning about your business, etc. You want to spend as little as time figuring this out as possible. Spend more time meeting with the few truly value added investors that you could learn from, but then save most of your time building your business until it’s time to raise money.

By the way, I’d encourage many entrepreneurs to get to know Jeff Bussgang (as I did more than 3 years ago). He is value added in multiple sectors and gives non-standard, direct feedback.

  • http://twitter.com/georgelbowen George Lucas Bowen (@georgelbowen)

    Good write up. Mark Suster says “Show me trend lines not a data point” or something along those lines. First interaction is 1 data point, second interaction is 2nd data point, etc. Your initial point 3 is exactly right, I’ve talked with a handful of VC’s and I get nearly identical feedback.

    An issue I run in to is that I would consider myself to be not fundable right at the moment, but will be shortly. I am in an intense feedback/iteration cycle. Each cycle showing growth but I hear the same thing from VC’s “Great concept, big market, when you get massive traction let’s talk”. (Horrible feedback) This makes it hard to show trend lines as there’s a lack of interest for continued progress reports or in my team or both. I think it’s more to do with finding the right investor that is passionate about the space. Any thoughts?

    • http://www.robgo.org robchogo

      Thanks for your comment. I’d say that you should just stop talking to VC’s for advice at this point. Sometimes, a story gets stale in the market or in the minds of VC’s. I think one way to tell is to take a bit of a break, make some progress, then try to get a good intro into an investor that you haven’t talked to before. See if he reacts the same way. If so, then there is probably more an issue with the team or the market opportunity that just isn’t piquing people’s interest. Good luck!

  • http://twitter.com/acoustik Ajay Kulkarni (@acoustik)

    Thanks, Rob. It takes a special investor to give advice that may not be aligned with his/her interests but actually helps the entrepreneur.

  • Allen Morgan

    I posted about this twice in the last 2 weeks (http://bit.ly/pmd7mL) and (http://bit.ly/nl4w5S) Lots of controversy about this, but, as I argued, “on balance” it’s in the entrepreneur’s interest to structure the relationship as much as possible. See comments and external links for the full discussion.

    • http://www.robgo.org robchogo

      Thanks Allen. I missed this great discussion. I should have linked to it!

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  • http://www.feld.com bfeld

    Great post Rob. I just put it up as the VC Post of the Day on Ask the VC. It adds nicely to the discussion started a week ago by Allen Morgan around whether or not entrepreneurs should meet with VCs before they are formally pitching.

    • http://www.robgo.org robchogo

      Wow, I should have linked to this. Great discussion!

  • aproductguy

    Great post Rob! Totally agree, it’s a tricky balance. People often use dating/marriage metaphors for the VC/entrepreneur relationship, and I think that holds true here. There’s a good chance if you spend too much time hanging out with a girl, that you end up in the dreaded “friendzone”, and then the hot new guy comes along and the woman falls madly in love with him when you’ve been there all along. Rationally, is it better for her to date you, cause she knows you, trusts you etc etc? Of course. Will the relationship be more likely to stand the test of time if you guys get to know each other as friends first? Of course. But, we live in the real world, and in the real world, there’s a good chance you end up in the friendzone rather than in a relationship (hypothetically, of course, cause, you know, I, err, not speaking from experience, cause I’ve totally not been in the friendzone…err..fine). To your point #2, building the relationship over time, a VC may *say* they want to get to know you, but over time they see you warts and all, rather than as pure potential. Again, going into a business relationship knowing the person warts and all is healthier, but much harder to close a deal that way. Whereas if you’re coming in with traction, great numbers and all they see is the upside, then you’re like the hot new guy at school. Anyway, it’s a tricky balance, and thanks for being transparent enough about the VC bias as well. Great post.

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  • http://wmilesn.com Will

    Rob–great post, syncs with my experiences. You mention, “I really think that only 5% or fewer of startups cross the threshold of institutional investors.” I’ve recently done some spadework with the Crunchbase database that suggests the number is around 18% (obviously with caveats and confidence in the data, but directionally correct). The distribution of funding is also interesting: http://bit.ly/nVl0on

  • http://www.DROdio.com Daniel R. Odio – technology entrepreneur

    Rob, great post (BTW you have a typo: http://drod.io/3k3l1W3V2n0q3Z2A3D2O)

    For those pursuing an angel raise: I’ve written a series of blog posts about our experience raising $1MM for AppMakr. The raise took us 14 weeks, and my goal is to help other entrepreneurs do it more quickly and efficiently. You can read about my “Fundraising Cribsheet Manifesto” at http://go.DanielOdio.com/manifesto . Hope it’s helpful.

    DROdio

  • jakequist

    This is some great advice, and lends credence to the notion that entrepreneurs should actively plan their investor-messaging strategy, rather than just shooting from the hip.

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  • http://twitter.com/jrushin Jason Rushin (@jrushin)

    Awesome post! In my experience, this is spot on. I just launched a business, HulaCopter.com, and have talked with about a dozen VCs and angel investors from the time of idea conception through launch and early traction. Most of their feedback consisted of negativity and ignorance. At worst, they were rude, dismissive, and seemed to take pleasure in their criticism.

    However, one or two of them did provide constructive feedback and ideas of what I should be doing *before* I get serious about fundraising. The most useful thing I learned: fundraising is a full-time job and you can’t run an early-stage company *and* raise capital.

    I read once that Pandora got rejected by a few hundred VCs before securing funding. If you’re an entrepreneur, you probably already have a personality where negativity creates even more fire in your belly. If you need more of that, then by all means, start talking with VCs as early as possible! ;-)

    • point0

      Yes, there is some diminishing marginal returns after the first few conversations in terms of learning.

      Gail Goodman, the founder of Constant Contact famously was turned down by over 40 VC’s!

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